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Winter on the road has arrived! 12/3/13 – 12/7/13

Saguaro National Park, Tucson

Saguaro National Park, Tucson

We arrived into Tucson to a 30-degree temperature change!  The cold weather seems to be affecting the entire US, even in the south where we were hoping for warmer temps.  My Uncle George and Aunt Ruth were also in town staying at the same RV Park, Valley of the Sun. They had been there for a few weeks visiting my Dad and his wife Jane and stayed one extra day so they could see us.  We got settled then walked 8 spots down to where they were set up with their camper trailer.  My Dad, Jane and her grand-daughter Gabby were already there.  We had a great visit and enjoyed pizza for dinner.

Jane, Dad, Me & Gabby in their backyard

Jane, Dad, Me & Gabby in their backyard

The next morning, George and Ruth came over for a quick tour of the MoHo then they were on their way heading toward California.  Golf was on our agenda for the day.  Dad’s good friend Chuck was able to get us on at the Omni Tucson National.  The four of us had a great round.  A little challenging for me, but I had never played golf with my dad before, so it made for a great day.  The wind was blowing and it was a bit chilly by the time we got off the course, but the sun was still shining.  We headed to a local bar for an after round drink, then back to Dad & Jane’s for a delicious homemade spaghetti and meatball dinner.  Mike & I headed back to the MoHo for the night.  The rain came in that night which all of the locals were excited about; Mike & I not so much!

On Thursday, dad took us for a tour around the city.  We headed up to Gates Pass for a cool view out over the desert. Then up to “A” mountain.  This is the mountain (hill) that overlooks downtown with the big A painted on it for the University of Arizona.  Apparently when rival schools come into town for football games they sneak up and paint the A their own school color.  Gotta love those college traditions; I’m sure it has been crimson at some point in time : )  We then headed down to the University District and had a beer at the Frog & Firkin, a typical college bar right near campus.  We headed back to Dad’s house for a night of relaxation.  I did some laundry (thanks Jane!) and we had another wonderful dinner of BBQ steaks and all the fixins!  Also, Dad loaded us up with supplies for the MoHo.

Dad and I on our hike in Saguaro National Park

Dad and I on our hike in Saguaro National Park

Friday was our last day.  The weather was still quite chilly, but it was a gorgeous crisp sunny day out with clear blue sky.  We decided to do a hike into Saguaro National Park.  The cool thing is that Dad & Jane’s backyard opens up into the Park.  So, we drove the car to a nearby spot and did our 3 ½ mile hike and ended up back at their house.  Dad shuttled us back to get our car.  A pretty neat spot for sure and such a different landscape than we are used to.  The Saguaro Cactus are like their trees; they are everywhere and each one so unique.  Tons of Prickly Pears, Agave and Cholla too. Mitch Cameron, you would love this park!  That evening, Chuck (from golf) and his wife Cori invited us to their house for dinner.  We arrived in time to still enjoy some daylight and thank goodness we did. Their home is absolutely amazing, especially the backyard.  Now, this is a house for entertaining!  Pool, huge gas firepit, outdoor bar and covered patio area.  They cooked up a delicious spread and we had some great wine.  We really enjoyed getting to know them and they couldn’t have been nicer.  What a great way to end the visit.  We headed back to Dad’s to drop them off and say our goodbyes.   It is always sad saying goodbye to friends and family. That is the hardest part of this trip for sure.

Love the Saguaro's!

Love the Saguaro!

Mike in a field of Cholla's

Mike in a field of Cholla

We were up and out early this morning heading east.  We were originally going to spend some time in New Mexico, but the temps are too cold.  We are trying to avoid below freezing, as it is hard on the MoHo.  We encountered a few below freezing nights in Tucson and the MoHo plumbing did fine, but the pipes from the RV Park were frozen this morning.  So, looks like we will overnight near El Paso for the night and make a plan from there.

Thanksgiving in the Desert – 11/13/13 to 12/2/13

Thanksgiving Dinner at the IW Club.

Thanksgiving Dinner at the IW Club.

It feels like a long time since we have last written. Well I guess it has! We spent 2 nights at the Crazy Horse RV Park in Lake Havasu, AZ. Wished we had more time here, as it was a really neat spot. Our parking place was right on the lake so we were able to use the kayaks. We did a long paddle around the island we stayed on and under the London Bridge. Apparently it is part of the original 1831 London Bridge that was purchased and shipped over in pieces in the 60’s and reconstructed here in Lake Havasu. Kind of cool. We also ran into our friend Matt’s next-door neighbor. They saw our Washington plates and we got to talking…random.

London Bridge, Lake Havasu

London Bridge, Lake Havasu

We rolled into the Emerald Desert RV Resort in Palm Desert on a Friday afternoon and just pulled out this morning. This is the longest we have stayed in one place (2 ½ weeks) and I tell you it was fantastic. This was probably the nicest park we have stayed in yet. It was very resorty with a nice pool, workout room, clubhouse and lots of planned activities. Our favorite was every Saturday morning out by the pool, Muffins & Mimosas! We were also perfectly located only a mile and a half from where our group was staying. Mom & Jeff at Palm Valley and Sunny, Mitch, Shelly, Marc, Gom, Jerry & Ann at Desert Falls.

Besides the group above, we were also able to see some other friends and family who were down in the area. Alicia & Renee were down for a getaway weekend in the beginning of our stay, so we spent one night out with them. Mike’s Aunt Melanie came over to our Apple Cup party. And, we saw Brent & Ashlie Johnson a few times, including a night out in old town La Quinta that was really fun!

Me, Sunny, Laurie, Renee & Alicia

Me, Sunny, Laurie, Renee & Alicia – prefunc in the MoHo

Jeff, Brent, Mike, Me & Ashlie

Jeff, Brent, Mike, Me & Ashlie in old town La Quinta

We golfed five times (Mike six) at a variety of courses; some we had played before and others were some new ones for us. The weather cooperated most of the time and was typically in the high 70’s, but we did run into a bit of rain, which seems unusual for PD. We were still able to get some pool time and a good dose of Vitamin D! We had some fun dinner’s out, especially at one of our favorites, Villagio’s. Also, a tasty breakfast at the La Quinta Bakery. And, a great spaghetti feed at Ann & Jerry’s and yummy taco fest with Mom & Jeff at their place.

Sunny, Me & Shelly golfing

Sunny, Me & Shelly golfing

We had a large group with us, not everyone for the entire time, but for Thanksgiving, our whole group of 11 was together. Eight of us golfed in the morning, then we went to the IW Club at Indian Wells for an early 4:30 dinner. We had a big table out on the patio with heat lamps and enjoyed a delicious dinner, nice wine and great company. We made our way to The Nest for a post dinner cocktail and all sat at the piano bar requesting songs and people watching. I can’t think of a better way to spend Thanksgiving!

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Jeff, Mom, Me & Mike at Thanksgiving Dinner

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving!

For the big Apple Cup game, Mike & I decided to host a tailgate and viewing party at the MoHo. We had 13 people over and even picked up a few stragglers at the MoHo park. We had indoor and outdoor viewing going, BBQ’d brats at halftime and played Bocce Ball. Unfortunately, the Cougs were not able to pull it out. We had a 3 to 1 Coug vs. Husky ratio, so Mike definitely felt the thrill of victory and let us know it. Regardless, it was a great day and so fun to have a group together for the big game!

MoHo Apple Cup Party

MoHo Apple Cup Party

Shelly, Me, Jerry & Sunny - Go Cougs!

Shelly, Me, Jerry & Sunny – Go Cougs!

Aunt Melanie, Me & Mike

Aunt Melanie, Me & Mike

Mike on the BBQ!

Mike on the BBQ!

The Pflu’s and Cameron’s left on Sunday morning and that was extremely difficult for me saying goodbye to my best friends. We had one more night with my mom & brother, then they were gone on Monday. Another very hard goodbye. This left just Mike & I so we decided to head up to Joshua Tree National Park for the day. Both of us had been battling a cold and cough, so we didn’t do any big hikes, but just enjoyed the scenery and took a few short walks. Back to the MoHo for the big Monday Night Football game with our 12th Man flag flying – what a fun game to watch! We packed up this morning and were on the road by 9am for the trip to Tucson where we will visit my dad.

Joshua Tree National Park

Joshua Tree National Park

The Desert is a special place for us as we got married here. It has been a place where we have continued to vacation especially for Thanksgiving. This time was obviously very special since we were able to spend time with so many great friends and family after being on the road for 5 months. It has been on the books ever since we left Seattle in May, so it has always been on my mind that we had this to look forward to. But leaving feels bittersweet to me as this is now really the start of our adventure where we will be gone for a year and on the other side of the country. I am looking so forward to what is ahead, but it was very hard to say goodbye. I do have some fun rendezvous’ in the coming months though which I am excited for. But, as I type this and it is just Mike & I driving down the road, I feel at ease and very happy.

Mike & I at Joshua Tree NP

Mike & I at Joshua Tree NP

Are you ready for some football? 10/2/13 – 10/8/13

Cougs vs. Cal

Cougs vs. Cal

We left Yosemite disgusted with the Government closure of the park (and for that matter, all National Parks. What a shame for people who had planned their vacations and events who are not able to see these amazing places). We planned the drive out of the area a bit better than the drive in. We opted not to hook up the car and I drove separately from Mike in the MoHo. MUCH more pleasant for all! Our destination was San Jose and the Coyote Valley RV Park. We were now in the Bay Area and the prices reflected it! We got settled for the night and enjoyed a relaxing evening ‘at home’ in the MoHo.

The next morning the wind was howling, but we had a tee-time at the Coyote Creek Golf Course so we decided to go for it. We were paired up with another guy and ended up having a great time. It certainly wasn’t our best round, but the course was in great shape. We headed into the local town, Morgan Hill, for pizza that night.

Friday morning, I was in desperate need of a pedicure so we headed into town and found a local nail joint. Mike went to wash the car and I enjoyed my hour of bliss! Then it was off to Saratoga for the day our new friend Joanna planned for us (we met her and her husband in Lodi and they basically planned an entire afternoon/evening for us). First stop was Mountain Winery. We drove up a steep, windy hill to the winery and felt like we were on top of a mountain with amazing views of the valley. It was a gorgeous, sunny day so we opted for glasses of wine and a cheese plate. We walked over to the concert venue and were instantly jealous that we had never been here before. Bonnie Raitt/Marc Cohn were playing that weekend but it was sold out. We were determined to get tickets as this was a venue NOT to be missed (more later on this topic). We enjoyed another glass of wine, then decided it was time to head back into Saratoga. Next stop was ‘The Bank,’ a dive bar where we enjoyed an ice-cold BL. Then onto stop 2.5, ‘The Basin’ for a recommended Martini. Mike actually had a Moscow Mule and I opted for refreshing glass of sparkling wine. The menu here looked incredible, but we were determined to honor Joanna’s itinerary and hit La Fondue for dinner. This place was very similar to Melting Pot (our local Seattle fondue restaurant), but more upscale. We did the typical cheese, salad, meat and dessert courses. My fave was definitely dessert, but we both left feeling overly full. Good food, but definitely way too much of it!

Mountain Winery concert venue, Saratoga

Mountain Winery concert venue, Saratoga

Today, was the day! The reason we came to the area. COLLEGE FOOTBALL! Mike had scoped this out months ago. Cougs were playing Cal in the day and the Huskies were playing Stanford in the evening. We were doing the double! We were up early and on BART to Berkeley on the 9am train. We met Mike’s aunt Melanie for breakfast and bloody mary’s and a quick visit. Then it was time to head onto campus and prefunc for the game. Surprisingly, it was hard to find a bar to get a beer in. We ended up in some random hotel, then found a Coug rally area where we got a cold beer. The game was a bit boring to be honest. Yes, the cougs won, but the turnout wasn’t great and the Cal fans were quiet! I’ll take the win though! Off, we went back to BART for the trip back to Fremont where our car was parked. It just so happened that there was also an Oakland A’s playoff game that night, so the train was packed with A’s fans. Kind of fun to feel the energy of these excited fans. We made it back to our car and headed to my very dear friends house, Renee Kaplan. We have known each other since middle school. She lives very near Palo Alto with her hubby Evan and darling sons, Jace and Penn. The game was very exciting and I must say those Husky fans definitely outshined the Coug fans. They had a HUGE presence at the game, which was very impressive. The energy at this game definitely kicked butt over my Coug game. Sad, but true. We also ran into good friends, Mike & Dawn Cameron, who were down from Seattle to cheer on the Dawgs. I was shocked at how close this game was and hard to admit that the UW Huskies are no joke. They actually could have won this game and it was too bad that it came down to an officiating call. A great game to watch! We headed back to Renee & Evan’s and said our goodbyes and back to the MoHo. A VERY long day, but so fun. We did it!

Miller's and Kaplan's at the UW/Stanford game

Miller’s and Kaplan’s at the UW/Stanford game

Needless to say, we slept in on Sunday after our 16-hour day! It felt great to relax and just hang out at the RV Park. We watched the Seahawks lose (boo!) and went to the grocery story. We got a new neighbor, PGA pro Charlie Beljan. He rolled in his mac-daddy MoHo for the Fry’s tournament just south of San Jose. We were watching the President’s Cup on the TV when he came over to talk with us, so it was very cool to find out he was in the PGA! We had a relaxing night on the MoHo and getting ready for our morning departure. We were going to try to get tickets to the Bonnie Raitt concert, but lost our steam after our busy day. But, I still believe this could be one of the best concert venues ever! It would be worth it to scope out next year’s concert calendar and fly down for a long weekend.

Our drive was an easy one. Only 90 minutes, which is a dream come true! This never happens so it was a pleasant surprise. We arrived in Monterey to the Monterey Fairgrounds by noon. This area was a challenge to find a place to stay, as there aren’t may options. So we felt fortunate to find a spot. However the airport was right next door (loud!) and the spots were not level at all, so our jacks had to lift the front end of the MoHo 6 inches off the ground. But, the location couldn’t have been better. We got settled and headed right out to the 17-mile drive. This is a drive along the Monterey Peninsula/Pebble Beach area. Talk about gorgeous scenery and amazing mansions. We did stop at Pebble Beach Golf Course for a light lunch at the Lodge overlooking the 18th green. This was so cool for us to be at such a recognized location that we have seen so many times on TV. Loved being here!  We checked out the pro shop and inquired what green fees are…$495!  We drove back to the Fairgrounds for the night. Wow, those planes were loud!

The Lone Cypress near Pebble Beach

The Lone Cypress near Pebble Beach

18th green at Pebble Beach

18th green at Pebble Beach

The next day it was off to the coast. We drove the 1 down to Big Sur. It was a pretty foggy day, so the scenery wasn’t perfect but pretty impressive. We drove as far as Nepenthe, a cool restaurant on the side of a cliff overlooking the amazing scenic coast. We drove back and stopped in Carmel (or Carmel by the Sea, the official name) and strolled through this quaint town. They were gearing up for their film & arts festival the next day, so I was hoping for some celebrity sightings, but no luck. I think there is some cash-ola in this town! We drove back to Monterey and decided to hit Cannery Row downtown. This is a vibrant, touristy area right on the waterfront. We walked and walked and decided on an early lunch at the Cannery Row Brewing Company. Then headed back into town for the local farmer’s market. We nabbed some blackberries, raspberries, lettuce and delicious caramel apple. We love to hit these local markets when we can!

North Coast

North Coast

Bixby Creek Bridge, near Big Sur

Bixby Creek Bridge, near Big Sur

Next stop is Paso Robles and more wine tasting! Yippee!

Canada, here we come! 8/1/13 to 8/6/13

Wine Tasting in Naramata

Wine Tasting in Naramata

We left Casa de Pflu after a fun-filled couple of days and headed north to Canada. Our drive was an easy one, and we got to the border crossing assuming the worst. We had read and heard that they would board the MoHo and do a very thorough search, not so for us. We answered a few simple questions and were through in only minutes, too easy. Driving through southern BC and the Okanogan Valley we did not realize how many orchard’s and vineyard’s were there, a real surprise. Seemed like there was a fruit stand or winery every kilometer or so, and they were all busy.

We got to Summerland BC, staying at the Summerland Beach RV Park. A college friend of Traci’s parents live there and were able to get us a site in the campground – thanks so much to the entire Webert family! Al and Joan were great hosts, especially when we could not find a place to land because it was their “long weekend,” a three-day holiday we knew nothing about and everywhere was full.

The first night there was a lot of thunder and lightning in the area and two of the strikes actually started small fires across the lake from us, soon put out by the heavy rains that followed. But, interesting to see how simply a fire can start with just one strike. The next day was similar, bit cool and showery, so we decided to stay indoors and do some wine tasting in Naramata, just on the east side of Lake Okanagan. (The entire region we were in from 50 miles north of us and 50 miles south is a huge wine region, for those who want to give this area a try, we would highly recommend). We went to 5-6 wineries and met some very nice people, especially Sal D’Angelo, owner of D’Angelo Winery. A wine maker of some 30 plus years, he was just finishing a Bocce court when we pulled up and he made sure to greet us and take us into his wine shop. After going through the tasting, he brought out a very nice port style desert wine, wanting to share this with us, without his daughter who runs the shop, knowing. I wanted to buy some of the port, but with no label he could not sell it, bummer. We bought our wine and just at the last minute he offered me a bottle of the port and I could not get my cash out fast enough! This area was beautiful and we would like to spend a whole lot more time on the “bench” as it is known, but you can only taste so much wine in one day. The ones we visited were: Therapy, Elephant Island, Black Widow, Ruby Blues, La Frenz and D’Angelo. We finished the day cooking back at the MoHo, and some wine from the days travels.

Life is Good!

Life is Good!

The next day we thought about some golf, but could not get going early enough, so off for some more wine tasting, this time in Summerland. We had a small map (Bottleneck Drive) and I saw a listing for one that looked like it was right on the lake – Greata Ranch Estate Winery. Located right off highway 97, overlooking Lake Okanagan. Nice little shop, average wine, amazing views. We decided to have a quick bite, and polished off a bottle of wine on the deck with the yellow jackets helping us – bad year for those little nuisances up here. A few more stops, Sumac Ridge and Silk Scarf (the best wine we had), and we ended at a winery called Dirty Laundry. Another great view from this place, and because of the holiday weekend, it was so busy we just bought a couple of glasses and drank them on the deck overlooking the valley. Finished the night down in Penticton for dinner, at the Barking Parrot bar out on their summer patio in the marina with a couple of local guys playing music on the water, very nice ending to a great day!

Enjoying the Barking Parrot deck in Penticton

Enjoying the Barking Parrot deck in Penticton

The following day we got in some golf at the Penticton Golf and Country Club, a shorter local municipal course that everyone seemed to know each other. We were clearly out-of-towners, and several people made note of helping or giving some sort of tips, golf, food or otherwise. It was nice to see how friendly everyone was and how they went out of their way to assist and offer advice. Got home and Al came buy to invite us to dinner at one of their favorite spots and we went with him and Joan and the rest of their family who were visiting. Good food, great wine, and wonderful conversation, all capped by some more wine back at their place in the campground.

Golfing in Penticton

Golfing in Penticton

Next morning we were off to a small little place in McClure BC, Pinegrove Campground & RV Park, about 40 kilometers north of Kamloops for a few nights till we head to the Canadian Rockies.  We got set up after a bit of maneuvering to a very nice pull through site and the owners, Randy and Martina, were very helpful from the beginning. We relaxed most of the afternoon and immediately noticed the bee issue here as well, so I got out my bee trap I had at the old house and set it up off the back of the MoHo. Randy mentioned it was a super bad year for the yellow jackets, and he proceeded to make a few traps the old fashioned way, 2-liter bottle with the top cut off and inverted back into the body and some sugar water to attract the little bastards. Within minutes of my trap going out, it was a hit with the bees and they were swarming the trap instantly. The neighbors, John and Ronna-Lee, and Randy all noticed and suddenly it was a nice topic of conversation for everyone. We started to chat, and an hour later we were all sitting around our propane campfire pit. One thing led to another and someone brought out the Tequila and it was all down hill from there! (We left all of our adult beverages back in the states as we read the amount of duty we would have to pay if it was found on our entrance to Canada, so we did not have anything to share or we all would have been in deep trouble the next morning!) Great campground hosts/owners, wonderful camping neighbors, and better conversation was had till almost 12:45AM. Today, we went into Kamloops to pick up a few supplies (shopping in Canada is expensive: 12 pack of BL Cans = $24; box of Kashi cereal = $7) before we head to Jasper and the Canadian Rockies portion of our adventure!

The amount of bees we trapped in a 24 hour period.

The amount of bees we trapped in a 24 hour period.

Bonus Material:
On our trip to the campground north of Kamloops, we were really searching for some propane. When we get a bit further north, most of the campgrounds we will be staying in we have to boondock (maybe power, or maybe water, but no sewer hook ups.) We run the fridge on propane when driving or when there is no power to hook into. We also use it to cook and occasionally to heat the water for the shower, so it is important to have as much as we can when we get “off the grid” in some of the areas further north. In searching for the propane filling outlets, we could not find anything easy. The propane fill location is on the bottom of the drivers side of the MoHo, so we really have to get close to the supply tank when filling up. About 40 kilometers from Kamloops, we saw a small gas station with a pull through perfect for me to get the needed propane. Well at least I thought it was perfect….. oh *&%$* I did not make the turn wide enough and now the car was blocking the highway behind me and there was a tree 2 feet in front of me! Damn, I have jackknifed the car behind us, can’t move forward or backwards, we are officially stuck. (I did move it forward enough to get out of the highway, but just barely.) We now had to do our first emergency disconnect of the car – on an extreme incline, I am an idiot! Took several stress filled minutes, and we finally got it disconnected, and it left Traci pretty anxious. Lesson, fill your propane at the truck stops with tons of room to maneuver!

Back in Washington! 7/24/13 to 7/31/13

Pool Party at Camp Cameron!

Pool Party at Camp Cameron!

It felt great driving back into Washington and the Pacific Time Zone!  We stopped in Kennewick for a nice visit with Mike’s dad before our destination in Yakima.  As we pulled up the driveway to Sunny & Mitch’s (aka Camp Cameron), we were greeted with the best ever welcome sign (see pic below).  The annual pool party didn’t officially start until Friday, but they let us roll in a bit early on Wed.   My mom drove over from Bellevue and Sunny’s parents, Jerry & Ann, were there, so we had a great couple of days catching up, BBQing and hanging by the pool before the big group arrived.  What a treat to have my mom come over and spend some time together.  Loved it!

Our welcome at Camp Cameron

Our welcome at Camp Cameron

Our RV Site - pretty sweet!

Our RV Site – pretty sweet! (Lana & Traci)

On Friday, we had a group of 12 golfing at Apple Tree and it was toasty!  The pool was a welcome site that afternoon.  The rest of the group arrived that afternoon/evening and the festivities were on.  Food, drink, music, games, pool, hot tub, sunshine and good friends catching up – it doesn’t get much better than that!  As usual it was a huge success and the Cameron’s were gracious hosts as always!  Most people left on Sunday/Monday, but we stayed one more day until Tuesday.  So far, Camp Cameron has been our favorite RV Park!

Life is good!

Life is good! (Sunny & Traci)

We rolled out of Yak on Tuesday morning enroute to Wenatchee and the Pflugrath’s (aka Casa de Pflu).  Their neighbors allowed us to park the MoHo in their driveway and we slept inside the house, which was actually a treat.  Shelly & Marc are babysitting our bed while we are on the road, so it was nice to sleep in it again!  They wined & dined us and we enjoyed their back patio and amazing view.  The smoke from the fires was starting to settle in; hopefully it doesn’t repeat the horrible smoke they had last year.

On Wednesday morning we had a little excitement.  Mike ran over to the MoHo to get some stuff out and he discovered a rattlesnake resting comfortably under the back tires.  It certainly got his attention for the next 20 minutes until it slithered back into the bushes down the hill.  We called Marc to see what we should do and he told us “stay away from it.”  Thanks Marc, genius.  Shell & I went to get much needed pedi’s, met the boys for lunch then took the boat out on the River.  We were enjoying the calmness of the river and just getting settled near the sandbars, when we noticed that a storm was brewing – wind and rain.  We decided we better head in, but when we tried to start the engine it was DEAD.   Looking around there was no one left on the river due to the bad weather, so Marc had to swim into shore walk down to the closest boat launch to get someone to tow us in while Mike, Shell & I tried to keep the boat from blowing into the rocks.  Can you say cluster!  We made it home about 3 hours later than we wanted, but safely and laughing about it.  Stopped at McGlinn’s for takeout and enjoyed another fantastic evening at Casa de Pflu.

The calm before the storm

The calm before the storm (Traci & Shelly)

Heading up to Canada today for 2 weeks!  Can’t wait.  First stop is Penticton/Summerland.  Wi-Fi will be very rare and spotty for us and we have turned off the data on our phones, so it may be awhile before we can post.